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Hello my name is Kristi and I have a 2 yr old black-masked Boxer named Gillis.... I love this dog so much it's ridiculous.. I love both of my dogs so much but this Boxer is an amazing animal.. Both of my dogs, my other is a lab/border mix named LuLu, communicate with me fine.. It's just my Gillis is a bit different.. His expressions are just so amplified with emotion... I love it!!!
Anyhow I'm writing because I just want to know if any of you have a Boxer that breathes really labored after short play time.. I mean just going to the park gets him puffing and panting... Hotter weather, of course it gets worse quick... I heard they were like that but I think he might get that way a little quicker than most.. I don't know anyone that has one and I've only seen a few at dog parks.. So do you think it's normal or should I go to vet... He just had a mass removal off of his tail and they checked him over and said he was fine.. Checked his lungs and such for surgery and said they sounded good.. I forgot to ask about his breathing because its not a problem in winter and I was focused on the issue at hand... I took him out yesterday which was the first decent day here in Jeffersonville, Indiana, around mid 60's.. He was puffin and panting in no time..I worried and stopped throwing him his ball.. You know how upset he got over that..he loves his ball.. He drinks a lot and I'm just so worried he will have a heart attack or something.. Have any of you had similar problems and is it normal or should he be taken to vet..
Thank you for your answers...
Kristi


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Rocky's Checkup went Well ! :)

Rocky's had his check up on Sunday. His arrhythmia is at an acceptable level & his next visit is in 3 months unless there is a relapse.

We went over the seizure episodes and the cardiologist agrees that they were seizures and not fainting. He said that we may be dealing with epilepsy or a brain tumor, but my assertion was his meds were too close together. On that point we differ in opinion, but he's been seizure free for 17 days since staggering his meds, so that says something.

We noticed that Rocky's stamina is gone and I believe that he now realizes his limits. Overall his quality of life is good.

And life is good again for him & the family and we are greatful for the additional time that we are being given with our precious Rocky ! :)
 

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Don't be too quick to call it a seizure. I am certainly no expert but I am an RN and have seen a few fainting episodes in my day. Sometimes fainting can look very much like a seizure.
I just wanted to let you know because my daughter used to pass out a lot. She would know sometimes when it was going to happen because she would feel weird & spacey right before it happened and could sit down to avoid hitting her head. Other times she just went down before she realized what was happening. She has hit her head so many times we have lost count (not funny). Thank God she is ok & outgrowing it! Sometimes it looked shocking because of the twitching, but it didnt happen every time. She had a holter monitor, 24 hr EEGs, and believe me, every kind of specialty consult known to mankind. She does not have a seizure disorder, but neurocardiogenic syncope, a disconnect between the brain & blood pressure, put simply, akin to vaso-vagal fainting. All of the things you describe can happen with fainting - the disorientation, twitching, etc. She was also on beta-blockers, which help slow the heart rate. I'm pretty sure that's why your boy is on sotolol, a beta blocker. My daughter would be exhausted for a day after she fainted sometimes. I know dogs aren't people, but just wanted you to be aware there are similarities!
My girl boxer Joey also had a seizure disorder fairly well controlled on phenobarb. I feel like the fainting expert, sadly!
 

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@rncohelp, sorry that you're a fainting expert. It's very disturbing when it occurs. We plan to do a holter monitor should his seizure/fainting episodes occur again, plus a neurological exam.

Thanks for the advice ! :)
 

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The symptoms you describes are so classic of a seizure that I would seriously find another Vet Specialist if he doesn't acknowledge it. Cardiac and respiratory compromise can result in seizures as you described. Please keep us posted.

Puppy prayers and healing energy are headed Rocky's way.
 

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Rocky is doing well !

The symptoms you describes are so classic of a seizure that I would seriously find another Vet Specialist if he doesn't acknowledge it. Cardiac and respiratory compromise can result in seizures as you described. Please keep us posted.

Puppy prayers and healing energy are headed Rocky's way.
Thanks ! :) yeah, I'm leaning toward seizures from the symptoms as you say, but I'm by no means an expert. I'm open to having it diagnosed through additional testing. I'm grateful that he hasn't had another episode. And I'm prepared if he does...

It's spring and Rocky is enjoying one of his favorite things, putting his head out of the sunroof. I thought that he or I wouldn't be be enjoying this again...
 

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My 3 & 1/2 year old, Rocky, has BCM (Boxer Cardiomyopathy) which has escalated into CHF (Congestive Heart Failure). He is being cared for by a cardiologist and is currently on three medications: Lasix, Pimobendan, & within the last week because of his 1st collapse, Sotalol.

His first collapse was 7 days ago. It was while he was running and by the time I reached him he was back on his feet. He seemed disoriented and we took him to his cardiologist. He said that he probably fainted due to lack of oxygen caused by his arrhythmia. Four days later, he had another collapse and we observed seizure type symptoms. We called the cardiologist and he said that it may look like a seizure but he's really fainting and the Sotalol should lesson the fainting spells.

Well, I started researching on the web & in forums, and I can't find a link between heart disease and seizures. I've found information that supports the cardiologist's opinion, but nothing more.

I researched Grand Mal seizures and prepared myself for the signs. Yesterday during another collapse, he exhibited all the signs of a seizure: unusual behavior just before, running in circles, wobbling trying to stand, then total collapse with legs and neck stretched out, eyes rolled back, stops breathing. He recovers in less than 30 seconds within a minute is standing upright again. He is disoriented, just stands and gazes into the distance and it takes about 10-15 minutes for him to act normal again.

Needless to say, Rocky is our little boy, our pride and joy. I will let him go when the time comes, but in the meantime, I want him to have the best care & treatment available.

I'll be on the phone with his cardiologist again this morning and insisting that he is not fainting. That he is in fact having a seizure.

If anyone on the forum has experienced a similar situation, any guidance or information will be greatly appreciated.
My baby boy, my True North, my best friend, DJ, passed away exhibiting the exact same issues as yours. At first he fainted (twice), within weeks of each other- and then I witnessed two seizures. His current vet diagnosed him with heart failure, fluid around the heart, anemia, etc. Sadly, he was only 11 years old. He swelled up in his stomach and seemed thirsty all the time because of the Lasix.

On his last day, just last week, he froze In place, standing up and wouldn’t move, his breathing was almost non-existent. I put my mother’s oxygen on him and then decided to get him some ice for his water. However, when I returned, he was in full seizure mode - his gums were pale and then I saw his tongue and it was almost white. He gasped for air three times but that third time was the last time and he was never able to catch his breath. He died in my arms five days ago.

So yes, I KNOW the two can go hand-in-hand sometimes.

One of the most difficult things was, he was taken off of his pain medication (Tramadol & Carprofen) suddenly due to DEA stripping away his previous vet’s CDS license. He NEVER had ONE ISSUE prior to that. I can’t stop blaming them for his sudden decline in his health & ultimate death. Bastards killed him!!!!
 

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I lost two of my boxer to cardiomyopathy both of them experienced the fainting episodes you describe my female had the worst ones as she was a little older she was 7 she would start to look disoriented before she would go down her legs would stiffen eyes rolled back then she would be up again a little disoriented for a bit then would be fine again my male who was only 3 when he got it would fall on his side and urinate on himself. The cardiologist and the Vet said this was due to arrhythmias causing lack of oxygen to the brain, this is the time when dogs can just immediately die. Just because the dog stands up again doesn't mean the arrhythmia has stopped in fact when I rushed my dog to the Vet his ekg said he was still experiencing the arrhythmia a half hour later. I am sorry your dog is going thru this I know how this goes. The meds will give you some more time with him my dogs were almost normal for a while after getting those same meds going and I was able to relax a little but unfortunately I was forced to euthanize after about 3 months of treatment they could no longer stand and would not eat anymore and were very weak I did everything I could for them in the end cooking chicken and baby food for them but there is no replacing the heart. Enjoy your baby while you can tell him you love him everyday and keep the excitement levels down no running and getting real excited that will help with the arrhythmia issue. I would recommend when or if you get another boxer make sure the breeder you get it from does cardio testing on the parents as well as a DM test. Did you however feed grain free dog food? I believe that's what brought this on my dogs and why both of them got DCM.
 
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