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I adopted a boxer at age 7.5 over 2 years ago, she is almost 10 now. She is spayed and weighs about 60 pounds. I am extremely concerned about what could be going on with her. We have seen specialists and run every test imaginable. She has NOTHING to show per labs and ultrasounds.

I adopted her from someone who left her outside alone in the backyard for years. When I adopted her she was very nervous and unsocialized with new situations (would shed like crazy), had chronic UTIs and skin infections, and often regurgitated her kibble undigested 2-3 hours after eating. After about 6 months with us she settled in, became less and less stressed in new situations (crazy shedding stopped), had no more UTI or infections, and didn't regurgitate unless super stressed. Other than that, at home she was a dream. We could leave her home for 10 hours and she wouldn't bat an eye and would just sleep and lounge. She would put herself to bed at 9:30 pm regardless of what anyone was doing.

We moved from NY to Florida just over one year ago and life seriously went downhill at 3 months post-move. She has become OBSESSED with food, and if there's no food, she will drain her water bowl. Her coat has also become lousy and dull. On our walks, she has her nose to the ground sniffing for food to eat. She barely plays anymore- it seems like the entire day is seeking food or being miserable on the couch about wanting food. She will drop down in the middle of crossing the street if she finds something to munch on. At home, she is basically trailing my every move (in a one bedroom apartment) I guess in hopes that I am getting up to feed her. She barely sleeps as much as she used to, and now she wakes me up at 7 am (I used to sleep in) to eat breakfast. By 2 pm everyday, she becomes impossible with her whining and pawing at me. I have to ration her water out bc otherwise she will drink to her heart's content and then pee herself while laying down. When I leave (I work from home but have part time dog walking gigs), she will drain her water bowl so if I am gone for 3+ hours, she will be panting and totally frantic when I get home. When I get home I always always have to take her for a walk bc of her water intake. Even when I am rationing her water, it's still more than she ever used to drink in the past. To top it off, she is not friendly to new dogs, and we live in an apartment building, so having to take her out every 3 hours has become beyond stressful. We can no longer go to the beach or swimming because she will funnel ocean and poolwater, can't go out to restaurants bc she crawls over to other tables eating crumbs off the floor, and can't do any extended activity more than a 15-20 min slow walk bc anything remotely tiring will send her to a food frenzy. Going to the park is out of the question as it is too strenuous and stressful now.


I have tried every digestive supplement, anxiety supplement, and food change imaginable. She is now on an anxiety med that has made no impact on the food obsession. We have seen our regular vet, a behaviorist (who wants us to use treats to help her relax which fuels even more water drinking and the eternal quest to find food), and an internist who all say there's no clear health issue but could be stress/anxiety. I don't understand how this is possible, because she was a HOT MESS when I adopted her and still had no issues with food or water + had an amazingly shiny coat once the skin infections cleared up. I now vacuum nearly everyday and have to wash bed linens 3 times a week whereas before we only starting vacuuming slightly more than usual when we adopted her.

I have completely altered and halted my lifestyle to accommodate her issues, but I am nearing my edge. I feel like I lost the dog I had, the dog who went everywhere with me, but also could be left at home with no issues. I'm 26 so opting to just stay home all the time isn't a lifestyle I can accept...I have no idea how much longer I can do this for. Additionally, the worst part of all is that she is VERY in shape and alert. People usually think she's 3 or 4. I don't really think this could just be old age or dementia. Nothing about her is "old", she's not even gray in her face :( I really wish I could afford to live in a house so she could just be let out easily to pee, but it's not possible for me.


If anyone has experienced this with their boxer please pleaseeee share anything at all that I can ask our internist.
 

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Sounds like she should be checked for diabetes or thyroid issues both these conditions cause excessive thirst and hunger has your Vet done these tests? This is not her fault so don't be angry with her I have had sick dogs before so you just have to be patient its part of the deal as a pet owner things aren't going to be perfect all the time. I would ask about these tests to make sure they have been done.
 

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Have they tested her for cushings disease? All her symptoms seem like this could be a likely cause. I would think a good vet would have tested for it.
 

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Hi, yes, she has been tested for diabetes, hypothyroidism, and cushing's. She has had an ultrasound, GI panels, thyroid panels, countless CBCs, etc. We have seen our regular vet who is great as well as a specialist. Neither have found anything.
 

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My older box (12 years old) drinks contestantly as well, and is hyper interested in food. You might try CBD oil. It can have a mellowing affect. I use it to improve her breathing - which is does quite well - but all the data I've read is about people using it to 'mellow' their pet's anxiety. And, it's virtually harmless, impossible to give too much (shy of dumping a whole bottle onto her food) and effects are usually noticeable within a day. Just a thought.
 

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My older box (12 years old) drinks contestantly as well, and is hyper interested in food. You might try CBD oil. It can have a mellowing affect. I use it to improve her breathing - which is does quite well - but all the data I've read is about people using it to 'mellow' their pet's anxiety. And, it's virtually harmless, impossible to give too much (shy of dumping a whole bottle onto her food) and effects are usually noticeable within a day. Just a thought.
Hi, thanks for your comment. We did try CBD but unfortunately it made her more agitated. Hemp oil worked for a few days and then she returned to her baseline stress levels.
 

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It does sound very much like cushings, however the OP said she was tested. I have read though there are two types of cushings disease..
Additional testing for cushings may be needed, however this is an older boxer and it seems OP has been working closely with vet.
 

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Wish I had an answer for you. Lots of similarities with my Sadie when she turned 8, the incessant drinking, food obsession, regurgitating, incontinence. Labs, ultra sound, second opinion. She lost 20 lbs, and looked emaciated. No answers. We tried meds for diabetes insipidus, which, if she had it, would have shown improvement very fast. Didn't work. The vet thought maybe Fanconi's disease, but later labs belied this. We got the incontinence under control with incurin, an estrogen replacement; proin had stopped working. Got her feeding under control with three small meals a day: soft food, pumpkin, and soaked kibble, mashed. At about 120 days in, the incessant drinking became normal, and she gained back 10 lbs. But it didn't last. She will turn 10 in a few days. The vet was surprised that she was still alive at our last visit, and that we had carried on so long with this. She said, "most wouldn't have", but still no answers. She used to want a treat when she came in, now the treat is more water. Too much, and she will regurgitate food that has been there long past time to be digested. Vet doesn't see an esophageal pocket, but her bowls are raised, nonetheless. She can have bad nights, up 3-4 times. A good night is only getting up once; benadryl helps. At around 6:30/7am, she insists that I getup because she wants water. Although she does not show signs of pain, I have long wondered if the water/food helps some stomach discomfort. But she is happy; she is holding her weight, so we cope. Fortunately, I do not live in an apartment so taking her out isn't a problem. Hugs to you for rescuing her, and for loving her.
 

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Wish I had an answer for you. Lots of similarities with my Sadie when she turned 8, the incessant drinking, food obsession, regurgitating, incontinence. Labs, ultra sound, second opinion. She lost 20 lbs, and looked emaciated. No answers. We tried meds for diabetes insipidus, which, if she had it, would have shown improvement very fast. Didn't work. The vet thought maybe Fanconi's disease, but later labs belied this. We got the incontinence under control with incurin, an estrogen replacement; proin had stopped working. Got her feeding under control with three small meals a day: soft food, pumpkin, and soaked kibble, mashed. At about 120 days in, the incessant drinking became normal, and she gained back 10 lbs. But it didn't last. She will turn 10 in a few days. The vet was surprised that she was still alive at our last visit, and that we had carried on so long with this. She said, "most wouldn't have", but still no answers. She used to want a treat when she came in, now the treat is more water. Too much, and she will regurgitate food that has been there long past time to be digested. Vet doesn't see an esophageal pocket, but her bowls are raised, nonetheless. She can have bad nights, up 3-4 times. A good night is only getting up once; benadryl helps. At around 6:30/7am, she insists that I getup because she wants water. Although she does not show signs of pain, I have long wondered if the water/food helps some stomach discomfort. But she is happy; she is holding her weight, so we cope. Fortunately, I do not live in an apartment so taking her out isn't a problem. Hugs to you for rescuing her, and for loving her.
Hi, thanks so much for your reply. It’s good to know at least one person understands. It seems our girls were born around the same time as mine will be 10 in less than two weeks :)

I will definitely try the food method that you mentioned. It’s interesting that you mentioned how she regurgitates food that has been sitting there too long- if my girl is stressed she will throw up undigested kibble 5-6 hours later. It’s like it just sits there! I sometimes feel like it’s just very weak digestion, almost like slow motility or gastroparesis in a human. Thanks again and happy new year to all
 

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Wish I had an answer for you. Lots of similarities with my Sadie when she turned 8, the incessant drinking, food obsession, regurgitating, incontinence. Labs, ultra sound, second opinion. She lost 20 lbs, and looked emaciated. No answers. We tried meds for diabetes insipidus, which, if she had it, would have shown improvement very fast. Didn't work. The vet thought maybe Fanconi's disease, but later labs belied this. We got the incontinence under control with incurin, an estrogen replacement; proin had stopped working. Got her feeding under control with three small meals a day: soft food, pumpkin, and soaked kibble, mashed. At about 120 days in, the incessant drinking became normal, and she gained back 10 lbs. But it didn't last. She will turn 10 in a few days. The vet was surprised that she was still alive at our last visit, and that we had carried on so long with this. She said, "most wouldn't have", but still no answers. She used to want a treat when she came in, now the treat is more water. Too much, and she will regurgitate food that has been there long past time to be digested. Vet doesn't see an esophageal pocket, but her bowls are raised, nonetheless. She can have bad nights, up 3-4 times. A good night is only getting up once; benadryl helps. At around 6:30/7am, she insists that I getup because she wants water. Although she does not show signs of pain, I have long wondered if the water/food helps some stomach discomfort. But she is happy; she is holding her weight, so we cope. Fortunately, I do not live in an apartment so taking her out isn't a problem. Hugs to you for rescuing her, and for loving her.
Hi, I just wanted to check back in. My girl has started gabapentin for lower back pain but it has also doubled as a great stress reducer for her, thankfully, but she is still food and water obsessed. I found out about something called Atypical Cushing's- which is basically a dog with a somewhat milder form of Cushing's where the cortisol is normal on labs. A veterinary endocrinologist in TN was the expert in it (he has since passed) but he has specific labs and a specific treatment for it. We will be seeing our internist again next week and I plan to bring it up, but also plan to reach out to the vets in TN to see if they coordinate bloodwork or treatment. It sounds like our girls have very very similar symptoms, so I just wanted to let you know. I'm posting some links if you wanted to read up on it. Someone on a diff forum brought it up and said it took 2 years and many second and third opinions to get the diagnosis and after one week on the recommended meds and supplements she got her dog's old self back. It's interesting because you mention having used proin and atypical cushing's causes issues with estrogen hormones. I am planning to purchase and try out a supplement called Canine Hormone Support- Dr. Mercola which has DIM (regulates estrogen), lignans (this is for Cushing's specifically) and melatonin which is also used for Cushing's.


 
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