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Someone asked awhile ago, about tanoak boxer breeders in Barrie, ON. We bought a beautiful fawn female from them in October of 2012. Abby was a real beauty, deep red and petite. She was the light of our lives. After a week or so, she continued to have diarrhea, which became half filled with blood. When tested she had giardia and boxer colitis. The colitis wasn’t diagnosed until January, when I switched my approach to a naturopath vet, as my regular vets continued with antibiotics dewormer, etc along with a “wait and see “ mentality. The problems continued throughout her short life (5 1/2 years) ending with fibrosarcoma in her mouth. She was happy and feeling good until the very end (2 days). Helga at tanoak, was sympathetic, but never really accepted any responsibility for her health conditions.
I am currently looking for a boxer pup or adult dog, but will not go to tanoak again. I feel that I need a breeder who uses imported European breeding mates along with the north American dogs, and not breed with their own pack line.
Any information anyone has with good breeders in Ontario, I am interested. I’m looking at jersey boxers, and biancales boxers right now.thanks for sharing any info with me!
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KACo and biacales boxers

Thank you for the information. I was getting discouraged about the breeders I was looking at. Have you heard anything about Jersey Boxers? They leave their pups intact. No docking tails, cutting ears or removing dewclaws. And they transition their pups to raw early. Also their pups have been kept to a routine for basic providing good structure for potty training, etc. Also they do titre testing before administering vaccines.
Thank you for sharing any info you may have.
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Thank you for the information. I was getting discouraged about the breeders I was looking at. Have you heard anything about Jersey Boxers? They leave their pups intact. No docking tails, cutting ears or removing dewclaws. And they transition their pups to raw early. Also their pups have been kept to a routine for basic providing good structure for potty training, etc. Also they do titre testing before administering vaccines.
Thank you for sharing any info you may have.
Mary C

I haven't heard of them and I don't think many people would've
By the looks of it, they are family that bought a boxer and decided to breed it.
They don't really have any other history I could find.
Don't get me wrong, they may be fine but... I personally would look for a breeder that has a bit more history were you can see what they are producing.

While it may not intend to be.. your second post almost comes across as a advertisement for the kennel.
 

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No, that was not my intention. That information about them is what is posted on their website. Just repeating what they advertise.
 

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First I want to say "Sorry for your loss." Lots of us have been there and some much sooner than others. :(

And the whole point of getting a quality pup from a Breeder that heal test there dog ... is so that you don't have stuff like this happen?? So yeah you got "screwed!" But you know "Crap Happens." And when it did ... I feel that "Breeder" should have done "something??"

If your pup developed "Cancer???" Than most likely ... so have other pups they sold?? I'm not a "Breeder" but it seems to me ... that if cancer is happening in the lines of pups they produce ... then they need to make some adjustments in what they are doing???

That said ... the longest health guarantee, I have seen is three years?? I;m not factoring ... in "Pain and suffering" just looking at numbers, to be clear. So if you take that in consideration then you did good, so yeah ....

Now that said, and factoring in "Crap Happens??" If you dog developed "Cancer??" Then it has to be the lines of the Dog that Breeder uses?? That is a "theory" on my part. But if it is "correct," you got as I stated ... "screwed!"


Assuming ... that my reasoning is sound?? Then plan B would be for that "Breeder" you got your pup from to first ... do right by you and make adjustments in what they are doing! The whole point of being a "Breeder" AFAIK ... is to improve the "Breed??" If they are not interested in doing that ... then are just are a more "sophisticated" BYB??? And you don't need to pay "premium prices" for a BYB pup?? So there is that.

I don't know about the potential health of other "Breeds" ... but in Boxers ... I have a PHD!" And so you know "now" ... the Medical community refers to "Boxers as Cancer in a Box!" My vet made that reference to me on one occasion and the blushed and said ... "Sorry!" I said .. "No Problem, I Already Knew."

My Struddell a BYB ... did not develop the big C. But unbeknownst to me at the time ... she was not fine??? Since you are trying to do better this time. You should know and the top three causes of Death in Boxers, Cancer, Cardio (Heart Problems) and Neurological ... ie "Degenerative Myopia!!' i did not know it at the time ... but number three was a ticking time bomb in my Struddell!

It would full manistate by year 8 and take her two years later ... with a lot of effort on our part to barely make it to the 10 year threshold!! &0 percent of al Breeding pairs of Boxers in American ... carry the DM gene!? So now ... you know!

And the second best protection against DM is DM Clear and One Dm Carrier. The best protection against "DM" is two clear parents!! So now you know and interesting enough ... if you factor in DM into your quest and not having to deal with it.

And if you also also factor in your requirement for "American Line and Euro" well the as it happens ... your pointing your self towards "KACO Boxers!" And she is a member here!

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Now if you add Dm into your search criteria things change fast?? I found only two Breeders that only Breed Dm clear pairs ... I don't remember the other one but KACO was one of them!

And then local to me I find a third, kinda?? They do have DM clear pups but they also DM at risk pups??? And I say "WTH" is that crap??? They call themselves a "breeder" but they are willingly and activiately selling DM at risk puppys???

Most likely for the clueless, the at risk puppies ... seem like a great deal??? I would not know as I never bothered to contact them ... they ticked me, off so much for "improving the Breed as it were!

And BIANCALES BOXERS, appear to be American Line Boxers, but I don't see info on there site about health testing???

And Jersey Boxers .. does not seem to have a website??? If they are FB only ... yeah I'd pass on them, myself.
 

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Thank you for the information. I was getting discouraged about the breeders I was looking at. Have you heard anything about Jersey Boxers? They leave their pups intact. No docking tails, cutting ears or removing dewclaws. And they transition their pups to raw early. Also their pups have been kept to a routine for basic providing good structure for potty training, etc. Also they do titre testing before administering vaccines.
Thank you for sharing any info you may have.
Mary C
I have seen no mention of Jersey boxers and have not seen them mentioned here. Both Kaco & Binnacle I believe are raw feeders. And Binnacle advertises they have a puppy schedule from the beginning. If I were in Ontario and not the US I would be happy to go with either and would ultimately decide between the two after speaking and perhaps visiting their facility. I would also be confident in either of them picking the puppy that would be a good fit for me. As far a cancer in dogs yeah boxers are prone, they can do some genetic testing but its real life and there are never any real guarantees against cancer, just better odds. I have been reading on grain free diets and its what everyone says today is best for our dogs however now I am seeing studies that say because of the lack of taurine in the diet cancer is evolving. So I just don't know anymore I guess we all do the best we can for our pups. I am sorry you had to go thru so much with your past dog and lost her at such an early age. WE put so much time, energy and $ into our dogs and we want to keep them with us as long as we can. Thats why I now look for someone who does things like testing, and showing, all for the betterment of the overall dog. Good luck in your search, you may have to go on a wait list but it will be worth it. I hope you will come back to the forum and let us know how you do. We all love puppies and the joy they bring.
 

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Tanoak Boxers

Tanoak Boxers has been around since at least 1989. My records show they have had 10 Canadian and 2 AKC Champions, so they must be breeding some excellent stock.
 

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Tanoak Boxers has been around since at least 1989. My records show they have had 10 Canadian and 2 AKC Champions, so they must be breeding some excellent stock.
I will grant ... that they don't sound like a "fly By Night Breeder??"

And I will also grant that "Crap Happens." And whatever the "Health Guarantee" is (usually anywhere from One to Three years) ... I have seen, there dog lived well beyond that.

And near as I know, there is no test that can tell if a Dog will develop Cancer??? That said it strikes me that if a "Breeder" is producing dogs who's line is developing Cancer, on a routine basis, ... then they have problem???

But ... "Crap Happens" and when it did ... the OP did not get satisfaction??? If they did ... most likely, they would not be here???
 

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Tanoak Boxers has been around since at least 1989. My records show they have had 10 Canadian and 2 AKC Champions, so they must be breeding some excellent stock.
I stand corrected, they have been around for a bit.
Excellent stock may be a bit of stretch.. ( **edit, I guess I should say for what I would look for "excellent stock" would be a stretch but it may not be that way for others)
If the OP decided to go through them, I would suggest asking lots of health testing question.
The 2 other breeders they "recommend" don't seem to health test, which is why I would ask the questions
 

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Cancer affect at least 50% of k9s today.
Over 61% of golden retrievers. MOST is environmental NOT genetic. So far my rate is closer to 10%. 😉
 

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I stand corrected, they have been around for a bit.
Excellent stock may be a bit of stretch.. ( **edit, I guess I should say for what I would look for "excellent stock" would be a stretch but it may not be that way for others)
If the OP decided to go through them, I would suggest asking lots of health testing question.
The 2 other breeders they "recommend" don't seem to health test, which is why I would ask the questions
Unless I'm mistaken and I could be ... "Tanoak Boxers" is the one that seems to have "ticked off the OP??"

Near as I can tell ... this is a "Customer Service Issue??" And the OP was not happy because there, "Purchase" did not meet the "minimum" 10 year life span ... that many BYB's can meet.



All they wanted I "assume" was a "pet" and they also I "assume" ... expected that for paying a premium price they would get a Boxer that lasted for at least 10 years???

That seems ... a reasonable "expectation" to me?? But there dog did not meet it and they are kinda well "heartbroken and ticked off!"

I don't know what reasonable "compensation would be??" As I am not a "Breeder??" But clearly ... I think it's safe to assume, that the OP and the Breeder were at an impasse or ... they would not be here???

Here we are talking family pet ... so "Drives and Temperament" are not at issue, but "lifetime is." The OP's Boxer did exceed whatever the health warranty was by a wide margin, admittedly ... but ther Boxer did not meet the minimum 10 year standar and they now seem to be "heartbroken and bitter??" It's now a "people thing??"

So now the question becomes ... is "Tanoak Boxers" produceding a line of Boxers that expire early?? I don't know?? And most likely ... no one knows?? only Tanoak, knows if they are producing "Boxers" that expire early form "Cancer??"

The OP ... is clearly not happy and they don't want to deal with that "Breeder" again??

That seems reasonable enough to me?? A reply from the "Breeder" that stated "Sorry for your loss and what about 50% on a new puppy??" WOuld be a reasonable solution" and "Tanoak Boxers" would be aware that they may have a problem in the Boxers they produce?? And they would make changes to see that "this" does not happen again ... is the way I thought it would go??

I don't think however that "this" is what happened??? And so ... here we are??? It is pretty bad "PR" for "Tanoak Boxers??" I doubt anyone viewing this thread is gonna be eager to purchase one of there dogs, don't known??


But whatever, sooo ... moving on. The OP also listed other requirements. And one of them was ... "North American and Euro Bloodlines??"

That is what they stated, "I believe??" And if that is indeed the case, they they already have there answer! Because, those are exactly that types of Boxers that our "KACO" produces!

Full health testing is on her website?? And most likely if any of her Boxers tend to expire early ... all one need is "ask her!"

I have no issues with "BIANCALES BOXERS " but near as I can tell those guys appear to be 100% all American ... "and that is a win in my Book!" But it's not about me and the OP said ... I'd like a American Line Boxer with Euro Bloodlines??" Well near as I can tell that is what "KACO" does??"

I'm not playing favorites I'm just stating facts and the OP said ... I'd like a North American Boxers with Euro Bloodlines. And that is a Euro?American Boxer ... they were "rare" in San Jose in 2003 when I got Struddell but they the Euro Crosses ... seem to be quite the thing in NV these days??? I have no idea ... what's up with that???

And since your here ... I think your input would be helpful on another topic. :)

https://www.boxerforums.com/new-member-introductions/205132-she-likes.html

And of course ... I have my two cents yet to be added. But suffice to say that on GeramnShepardforum ... if a member said "they want to use an "E-Collar" on a 15 week old puppy ... they'd best have there "Flame Proof Suit On" ... just saying. :)
 

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Cancer affect at least 50% of k9s today.
Over 61% of golden retrievers. MOST is environmental NOT genetic. So far my rate is closer to 10%. 😉
I'm sorry ... I'm not familiar with you???

So what are you saying exactly?? A Boxers propensity for developing Cancer ... does not stem from "Bloodlines" but it depends on where they live??? Are you a "Breeder??"
 

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I agree Chip the dog in its short lifespan had giardia, boxer colitis and cancer. Most of those are acquired though colitis may have a hereditary link, but I don't think its anything the breeder could have done to prevent these issues. OP said they were sympathetic but I think she was looking for something more. Unfortunately even the best breeders out there cannot prevent some issues from happening later in the life of their pups.
 

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Mjcardin, sorry for your loss. You didn't go into details about your dog, but it sounded like it may have been Histiocytic Ulcerative Colitis.


https://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/digestive/c_dg_colitis_histiocytic_ulcerative


I had a Boxer with this problem, and it appeared at an early age. It was very difficult to deal with, and required we seek vet care from several specialists. There were endoscopies, and consults with vet nutritionists. So much was trial and error, but after years we finally got him stabilized. This dog was from a woman who bred her bitch twice. Both parents were AKC registered, and none of the other puppies had this problem. I remember the woman we bought the puppy from felt awful, and she did have a couple of her vets research whether she was at fault. The answer was it wasn't, or there is just not enough research going on.


Finally to my point. There are sophisticated tests to help rule out breeding Boxers with known breed-related problems. Can breeders control things like SRMA, or HUC, in their breeding lines? I hate to judge harshly if these can't be controlled, or if there are just more auto-immune illnesses cropping up.
 

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owenowlsnest..I think you hit the nail on the head. We can't fault the breeder in many cases. Its unfortunate that we lose our beloved pets so early at times and causes us much grief. I think the OP is still grieving, and I am very sorry for her loss. Looking for a breeder that does more extensive testing is always a good thing, but in reality there are no guarantees in life.
 

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Well this is certainly a rather depressing thread and unfortunately, escalating levels of rhetoric ... won't solve a thing??

So climbing down from my rhetorical high horse as it were, I found that still, the best way to stack the odds in one's favor, by going with a quality pup from a good breeder. And sadly as is often the case in life ... "Crap Happens." :(

But Autoimmune and environmental issues??? Well that sucks, I do have a plan "B" as it were, but it's not very practical?? As I doubt my Struddell would have had much fun chasing Bunny Rabbits in the desert ... wrapped in Bubble Wrap and wearing a respirator?? :crazyeye:

Ah well ... just a thought, as ultimately there was nothing I could do to protect her from her own body??? DM took hold in year 8 and with much effort we barely managed to get her to the 10 year mark.

In 2003 there was no testing for DM but these days there is, so no can at least protect against that one with a Health Tested pup. But it seems there is a lot of other "things" out there, that catch owners off guard and can't be tested for?? That kinda sucks ... aww well, I suppose ... there is always the option of "Goldfish???
 
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