This topic shouldn't get heated at all. Like you said, some like him, some do not. From the episodes I have seen, I like him. I've seen nothing wrong with him, other than when he grabbed the dogs face and muzzled him. I'm just really curious about him now. I might even have to record some of his episodes so that I can watch more. Maybe, I'll come to despise him, or even like him more.1stboxer\";p=\"6029 said:The thing to remember about Cesar. he isn't training puppies. He is rehabilitating dogs who are out of control and in danger of being taken to shelters as lost causes. He has a great success record there. i don't think he is overbearing or cruel. I also don't think many of his techniques are needed for most dogs.
I recently read a 16 page debate about cesar on another dog forum. 16 pages back and forth. and it got really heated and ugly.
Some like him some don't.
I just deleted the rest of my post. I just don't want to get emotionally tied up in this debate. it is too heated already.
I couldn't have said it better!The purpose of these forums is to learn and share each others experiences with each other so that we can learn more. We might not always agree, but at least we should be able to do that without getting heated, and in an adult manner
Those things have occurred on several different episodes. The stringing up was one of the first episodes I saw, and the worst choking I've seen him do (though at least he didn't helicopter the dog like some do!). The manhandling was one where he got bitten three times; the dog was in obvious extreme fear, and Cesar forced it to the ground on its side and held it there. From the dog's point of view, there was no choice but to bite him.WHAT??? I must have missed that episode!
This is something I've seen repeatedly, him completely misreading the dog's signals. Like the dog that was cowering toward the floor in anxiety, and he 'corrected' it for being aggressive, or the dog that kept backing away from him and barking, and he called it aggressive. (I think Cesar is predisposed to see aggression in every dog, actually.) Ears back can mean a number of things, typically fear, stress, or submission; flat on the head means stronger emotion. (In this case, Cesar was correct as far as his dictionary goes - submissive is the same thing as calm to him. For most trainers, calm is neutral, and ears may be up or back, but relaxed.) I highly recommend Brenda Aloff's book, "Canine Body Language", for more information on this topic; there's also a nice pictorial example here:I thought the dog was running playfully, but Cesar said it was aggresively.
When Cesar started working with the boxer, the dog's ears went flat against his head. Cesar said the ears in that position represent the dog being calm. When my dogs' ears go back, it means they are freaked out. I thought he got that completely wrong. What do you guys think? Am I wrong?
Sometimes he is - other times he's just working with dogs who have never been trained before. I know of a number of trainers who have had to re-train dogs once Cesar was done with them, so his success rate may not be as good as it seems to be on the show.He is rehabilitating dogs who are out of control and in danger of being taken to shelters as lost causes. He has a great success record there.
From the behavioral point of view, there's no such thing. There are trainers, however, who cannot train with other methods.I thinks his methods work well for dogs that cannot be trained by other methods.
It's a bit amazing, isn't it? That is what science and learning theory have done for dog training and the dog-human relationship. The more you learn, the bigger the possibilities become. (Hm, just realized I forgot Suzanne Clothier in my list above.)To be totally honest - I started Chloe on clicker training about 6 weeks ago - and I NEVER knew that something could work so well.