I want to say thank you so much for the suggestions... I started as soon as suggestions came in... I tried holding him bum in place so he could not pop up and the was the first time he actually went into a down! ! ! ! This was also right after he had eaten for the most part. So both of these suggestions worked. Thank you. I am also going to try using the fixation to my advantage with "leave it" . It had never even occurred to me to use this to my advantage... I am hoping that on Sundays when my husband is home we can start working with the dogs together on training so they are each getting some one on one work... But I was so excited he actually "down" like 6-8 times I was crazy happy for him... We are also going to start working with no jumping as people come in the door. I feel like I have some training confidence again. Thank you all for the suggestions. I will keep you updated as we progress with this "down" situation!!!!!!!!!