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Old 04-06-2017, 03:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi there,

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with E Collars?

Does it hurt? Is it more affective with training a deaf pup? Is it expencive?
I don't really want to use one but she already knows at 4 months that if she don't look at me then she won't see what she needs to do and stares at the ceiling.

Hopping for some insight.
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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LOL ... outstanding ... you figured it out!!! If you have a dog deaf and if you want to keep them safe and you plan on letting them off leash ... ever ... they you have no choice but to E-Collar train them!

It's an issue I am struggling with currently, but most likely not becasue of the reasons you are?? For me it's becasue ... I don't want to! I'm a "Slip Lead Leash" only kinda guy ... that's all I use.

My goal with my dogs is to keep them safe! And a part of that process, is by not putting them in "harms way!" I don't do "Dog Parks" I don't do is your dog freindly people?? In ten years ... my "Struddell" was never harmed by a single dog!

I don't play ... no dog I do not know ... got near her, period end of story! I did not do "Dog Parks" I do not do meet on the street hookups! I don't know you, I don't know your dog?? You keep your distance ... I'll keep mine, is how we rolled ... worked out fine. Regardless of whether a dog can hear or not ... a no strange dog policy is what I advise.

But ... that's me ... you have a "deaf dog" and why your thread just happens to be pertinent to me?? Is because I am pondering ... taking one on?? I want a another "White Boxer" and a rescue is a possibility for me?? But thus far everyone one I see that looks very much like "Struddell" just happens to be deaf???

I would want to do the same things with a new dog that did with my "Struddell" and that would include ... chasing "Jack Rabbits" on the open "NV' desert! But if a dog can't hear me ... there is no way, I can allow that???

So ... if I were to get a "Deaf Boxer" I would be forced to use an E-Collar to keep them safe! That kinda sorta ticks me off. As I am already good at what I do and I do it E-Collar free. But if ... I get a "Deaf Boxer" that would have to change. But that's just me, to answer your question however, from Lou Castle ... this guy.:
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The most effective, quick and humane way to train your dog is with the "proper use of an E-Collar!" With a "deaf dog" if job number one ... is to keep them safe ... you have no choice.

I can go on and on ... but I'll stop right there for now. But thanks ... I was pondering on how to bring the E-Collar up.
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Well I'm with you on the dog park thing, I'm not into that but I also wasn't into parent groups with the kids either. I'm not really a social butterfly.

I was assuming that the e collar is for training and never thought about having it to allow her freedom to be off her leash. We use a no pull harness for walks.

What I will say about having a deaf dog is that she is really quite. She's a big suck and I one hand it might be a bonus for her since I love to listen to music all day and loud...lol but I don't have any experience with any animals other then her so I can't say any difference between her or a hearing dog.

Maybe I might give the e collar a try although it breaks my heart to do so.
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Well I'm with you on the dog park thing, I'm not into that but I also wasn't into parent groups with the kids either. I'm not really a social butterfly.

I was assuming that the e collar is for training and never thought about having it to allow her freedom to be off her leash. We use a no pull harness for walks.

What I will say about having a deaf dog is that she is really quite. She's a big suck and I one hand it might be a bonus for her since I love to listen to music all day and loud...lol but I don't have any experience with any animals other then her so I can't say any difference between her or a hearing dog.

Maybe I might give the e collar a try although it breaks my heart to do so.
Using an ecollar properly is not inhumane. It's a form of communication. You can use a low setting, even the vibrate setting. Train your dog what it means. Stop and look.
I've seen dogs power through ecollars but wilt at a verbal correction.
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That's good to know thank you, I will give it a try
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Well I'm with you on the dog park thing, I'm not into that but I also wasn't into parent groups with the kids either. I'm not really a social butterfly.

I was assuming that the e collar is for training and never thought about having it to allow her freedom to be off her leash. We use a no pull harness for walks.

What I will say about having a deaf dog is that she is really quite. She's a big suck and I one hand it might be a bonus for her since I love to listen to music all day and loud...lol but I don't have any experience with any animals other then her so I can't say any difference between her or a hearing dog.

Maybe I might give the e collar a try although it breaks my heart to do so.
Well ... I must say ... I am impressed! Usually everybody and there freaking mother ... thinks "Dog Parks" are the way to go!

We have a member on GSD right now and her GSD got attacked at a "Dog Park" by an owner that had ... Ten freaking hounds that she could not control!!! Even I ... could not have imagined that situation ... who does that?? There are no rules on who brings what to a "Dog Park" and some dogs just should not be there! My "Struddell" was actually a "Balanced Dog" she was the type of dog that people think are at a "Dog Park??" But rest assured ... under my watch ... you would not find her there, I trust ... no one! My dog's safety comes first and foremost!

Your E-Collar concerns are based on logic and mine are not. I have a very long history of saying ... "I have no need of using an E-Collar, the E-Collar and a remote, is just more crap I have to deal with" When I find a dog where I actually ... "need to use one ... I'll reconsider an E-Collar." Well ... if I get a "Deaf Boxer" ... that time is here" uh oh???

But here is my basic link of stuff to know.:
http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/5296377-post8.html

Take note of ... "Three Dogs Who Should not be at a Dog Park!"
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Using an ecollar properly is not inhumane. It's a form of communication. You can use a low setting, even the vibrate setting. Train your dog what it means. Stop and look.
I've seen dogs power through e-collars but wilt at a verbal correction.
Oh ... your here great!

My reason for not ... using an E-Collar are pretty simple. I am not on a schedule, so however long it takes ... is however long it takes to work with a given dog. But I follow Balanced Trainers and by and large these days ... they all use E-Collars ... nuff said.

But with a deaf dog ... I'm in a quandary?? Specifically as regards deaf dogs and an E-Collar in vibration mode??? I understand E-Collar conditioning first regardless.

And when I tried to find information on E-Collar use for Deaf Dogs. All I found those far was "PO" only crap! And they were always "vibration mode, vibration mode, and otherwise E-Collars are bad!

Yeah well ... that crap cuts no ice with me. And from what I heard ... the vibration mode can freak some dogs out!

My question to you ... would be with a "Deaf Dog" would you work with "Vibration Mode" or would you, treat a deaf dog the same as a hearing dog and go with E-Collar setting on "Working level???" I've not been able to find an answer to that without running into "PO" crap.

Im not interested in pandering to a given theology myself ... I want to know what is the best, most efficient and effective method to keep my deaf dog (if I do get one) safe!
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That's good to know thank you, I will give it a try
Just gonna say ... slow your roll! Bit more to know than simply slapping on an E-Collar and going for it.

I'm not really a fan of harness either but if it works for you and your dog ... go for ti.
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Oh ... your here great!

My reason for not ... using an E-Collar are pretty simple. I am not on a schedule, so however long it takes ... is however long it takes to work with a given dog. But I follow Balanced Trainers and by and large these days ... they all use E-Collars ... nuff said.

But with a deaf dog ... I'm in a quandary?? Specifically as regards deaf dogs and an E-Collar in vibration mode??? I understand E-Collar conditioning first regardless.

And when I tried to find information on E-Collar use for Deaf Dogs. All I found those far was "PO" only crap! And they were always "vibration mode, vibration mode, and otherwise E-Collars are bad!

Yeah well ... that crap cuts no ice with me. And from what I heard ... the vibration mode can freak some dogs out!

My question to you ... would be with a "Deaf Dog" would you work with "Vibration Mode" or would you, treat a deaf dog the same as a hearing dog and go with E-Collar setting on "Working level???" I've not been able to find an answer to that without running into "PO" crap.

Im not interested in pandering to a given theology myself ... I want to know what is the best, most efficient and effective method to keep my deaf dog (if I do get one) safe!
It's still a dog. I'd go with working level. Dogs in drive, be it fighting a man, chasing a rabbit, or running deer will not feel a vibration. A nick at working level will get their attention. Think of it as sign language across a field. Instead of your voice, you are tapping your dog. A dog off leash is not looking at you. So you need to gain his attention.
Working inside to lay a foundation you can condition to the vibration.
A good way to associate this is, how loud do you need to raise your voice to be heard?
Of course this doesn't take into account how hard or soft your dog is. Variables that you'll learn with the dog. If you've got a melter (soft) you'll go further with a vibration. If you've got a hard headed monster, you're going to be nicking a lot sooner.

Just because you are used to a certain way, doesn't mean you can't change for the dog in front of you. The best trainers don't train two dogs the same way. They learn and adapt. Because their is no reasoning.

I've got a challenge for you chip. Up for it?

Take a dog and try to communicate without speaking. From a foot away. Now do it from 10 feet. Then 20. If he knows you, he'll read your nonverbal cues and know. But at some point it's moot. And you become another piece of the scenery holding a slip lead.

All over the place on this one.
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Take a dog and try to communicate without speaking. From a foot away. Now do it from 10 feet. Then 20. If he knows you, he'll read your nonverbal cues and know. But at some point it's moot. And you become another piece of the scenery holding a slip lead.

All over the place on this one.
LOL ... most likely a few years ago ... I'd have went off, angry arrogant, a-hole, mode ... just cuz, but ... sigh a pretty patient tolerant group of folks here and they got ... even me to chill the heck the heck out.

So I can answer your question because ... I have a "GSD!" With Struddell ... I can't really say ... she did everything at lighting speed so I never really got a chance to notice ... nonverbal communication??

But "Rocky" my "GSD" yesss ... we do that all the time! If he moves in a certain way ... I understand what he wants and if I give him a look ... he understands what I want! Weirdest thing I've ever seen??

But ... I have done the same thing with dogs I don't know with a "SLL." And yesss, I understand according to Jeff Gellman for one ... you can't correct a dog with a "SLL??" OK whatever ... by and large I don't need to. Save for one cat v pit rescue off the street situation ... another story. But I started doing rescue work becasue of problems I see all all the time on forums??

My dogs were boring, so I started working with rescues, I don't know those dogs ... and I don't talk, to those dogs. I put a SLL on them ,snug it up high, wait patiently for them to get over it and I never say a word.

At some point ... they stop struggling ... sit and look up at me for direction?? I say "OK" and off we go ... no issues! Once or twice ... maybe a fluke?? But when I did it with "Deer Dog" ... even I was stunned! :

https://www.boxerforums.com/1754161-post16.html

As I am want to say ... there is always that guy.

But I do appreciate the input on using an E-Collar with a deaf dog. My objection to using one is fairly simply. A remote for the E-Collar is just more crap I have to carry and deal with ... nothing more than that.

One would have to still use/train hand signals with a deaf dog, at least I would. Because in the real world on neighborhood walks ... crap happens! And I like my hands free! Rocky and I specialize in loose dogs gone wild situations.

https://www.boxerforums.com/training-...ncounters.html

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Don't freaking screw with us! If I do get a Deaf Rescue Boxer ... I "expect" the same behaviour. My job is to protect my dog and you dog ... don't get in the way! So most likely a E-Collar remote would be in my pocket ... but my deaf dog would be close to me. The lab thing ... would have been bad becasue ... I messed up! Rocky "heard" the situation first! I was last in the chain of events there ... but I stopped it!

A deaf dog ... would require a higher level of responsibility to keep them safe. That is not something I take lightly. So when I did start looking for "Deaf Dog" info ... I kept running across "vibration mode" for E-Collar use with deaf dogs becasue otherwise E-Collars are bad! I know crap when I see it, and to me ... working level means working level, so why would that not be the case for a deaf dog??

Whatever can help me keep my dog safe ... is what I'm going to use.
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