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Old 10-10-2015, 09:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Teach your Dog to ignore other dogs. :)

Well I lost my first attempt at this!

To long and chatty anyway ...so probably not a bad thing??

So this attempt I'll do as I often advise ...and keep it simple!

First and foremost, your dog need to be able to go on a "Structured Walk" without issues.

Looks like this:


I've covered that here, you need to use "real tools" of your choice but they are discussed here:

https://www.boxerforums.com/training-...ead-leash.html

You don't need additional problems created by other peoples uncontrolled dogs or train your dog to "ignore" you by running around around with other dogs on a "routine basis."

Long way of saying "No Dog Parks.":
https://www.boxerforums.com/1728673-post37.html

In essence step one is "don't" make other Dogs a source of excitement in the first place! Everything else is easier.

If you do that then this will be easier:

Leerburg | Who Pets Your Puppy or Dog

These are things I have always done with my "personal" dogs and I have never had a " seriously leash reactive dog issue!"

Closest I've come to it, was with my GSD and he would start to wobble and bounce and get agitated when Dogs behind a fence were barking at him???

A "pro" on the GSD board suggested I "simply popped him on the head with the loose end of the leash!" Just a "pop" your not "whacking the crap out of the dog!"

So the next time with a neighbor's barking dogs in Rocky's face, that's what I did! And boom he stopped just like that! That was 6 years ago, never had an "issue" since.

And my dogs "never" meet "I thought my Dog was friendly folks??" My American Band Dawg was not, so I just stuck with that! Worked better than I knew at the time! I step aside or cross the street I have to pass on the side walk I'm between the other dog and mine.

I don't expect a problem but I don't take chances, with my dogs.

So it's as much about what "not to do" as it is "what to do!"

So with that much said ...I'll let the "experts" take it from here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3c5...el=TyTheDogGuy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHZY...nterprises,Inc


If you have already messed up as such, then it may take more effort to do undo what has been done??

That would look like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...nel=DavidHogan

But my "dog is reactive on leash" would be yet another thread! So let's keep from going there!

As always ask questions!
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Old 10-15-2015, 03:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thanks for this post Chip.

Great information in those videos!

Once we stopped going to dog parks we could start getting a handle on our reactive issues with the correct training.

I fully believe that we would still be having issues if we still subjected our dog to those environments.

I might have to use the video from Ty. Our friends are dog park believers and I get the feeling they think we are depriving our dog because I am so against them. The funny thing is that they are running into some issues and they haven't made the correlation yet that it is probably caused by the dog park.

Thanks again!
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So you "popped" your dog with your magic wand ONE TIME and he never acted like that again. Ok Chip...sure.

And most people don't care to teach this to their dogs...but for those that do, thanks for the info.
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So you "popped" your dog with your magic wand ONE TIME and he never acted like that again. Ok Chip...sure.

And most people don't care to teach this to their dogs...but for those that do, thanks for the info.
Once again ignore my own advice ... yes.
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Thanks for this post Chip.

Great information in those videos!

Once we stopped going to dog parks we could start getting a handle on our reactive issues with the correct training.

I fully believe that we would still be having issues if we still subjected our dog to those environments.

I might have to use the video from Ty. Our friends are dog park believers and I get the feeling they think we are depriving our dog because I am so against them. The funny thing is that they are running into some issues and they haven't made the correlation yet that it is probably caused by the dog park.

Thanks again!
I stumbled onto the "No Dog ParK" thing by accident in 2000 with Gunther BullMastiff/APBT/Lab aka American Band Dawg.

My first dog as an adult and of course my plan was "Dog Park City" here we come!! Yeah ... "NO!"

I did a lot of research on ABD but nowhere did I see it spelled out that APBT and derivatives thereof are not by nature to fond of other dogs??

It was pretty clear to me that "I" had a problem?? And I did not want to make my problem someone else's problem!

I thought Gunther was an Aggressive Dominant Male so I had him evaluated, the "Pro" said "No" he's just a Dominant Male dog.

No problem then ... No Dog Parks, No I thought my Dog was friendly people! It would be Seven years late when I understood what a "true" Dominant Aggressive Male dog was! (Source of Who Pets as solution for "us.")
I did not need a "Pro" eval for that one! I had a living room view!

No Dog Parks has hidden benefits, your dogs does not learn that what you say doesn't matter, by running around out of control with a bunch of dogs!
A dog won't view unknown dogs as a temptation! Hence my lack of "experience" with any serious "leash reactivity" problems! And because of that a dog is not "prone" to darting across a street to greet a Dog if he sees it and you do not??

If you don't train your dog that "every" dog is to be met! They view seeing another dog as no big deal!

And my guys were fine around other dogs! And my training of Gunther saved the life of my neighbor's little untrained piece of crap dog!

While I was working on my car once, my dogs were outside "On The Lawn" and I hear yapping??? I look up and my eyes get wide as saucers!! I see the little miscreant four feet from Gunther, who stood his ground and stared down! The little dog was barking in his face!!! Struddell was on Gunther's flank looking to him to see what to do???

So first, there is no doubt that had the little POC actually struck Gunther?? That dog would have been tore apart before I could move!!

Gunther looked to me to see how to handle this situation??? I said good boy and Stay and swiftly got the dog out of his!

And my "former" Dominant Aggressive Male OS WL GSD??? Who also did not much care for people?? We went to a pet vaccine day event! A crap load of crazy off the hook dogs! Howling and barking and screaming and peeing on the staff.

Rocky's response (GSD) nothing!! Absolutely rock solid, zero issues one of the very few well behaved dogs there!

Many of the "Pro's" don't address this (ignore other dogs) till after people have problems! They work on leash reactivity issues "after" the fact but make little mention of "preventing" it before hand?? You hear them say these things if you look, but by and large it's not very apparent advise.

That would be mostly because "Pro's" that work with serious dogs ... already do these things! They don't do Dog Parks, they don't let strangers pet their Dog's and they certainly don't do "I thought my Dog was friendly People??"

Nope they "fix" the problems of those that do!

Yeah your friends ... good luck with that. Family and friends and there dogs thing. I don't get involved. Cesar pretty much works hard at countering my advice! Every episode he works with the people on them and there dogs issues and at the end of the show, to the "Dog Park" they go!

Well what about all the other dogs at the "Dog Park???" He has not worked with?? If one of the Cesar dogs gets attacked and again becomes reactive?? Is Cesar going back for a follow up visit??

It makes me cringe but hey if you're a trainer or a behaviourist?? Dog Parks are good for business!
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Thanks for all the advise and videos you post Chip. I have found some useful, as I am always open to others ideas and training methods. To those who are not interested, just skip those posts, there are some I skip from time to time but for others there may be some useful info. I try to keep an open mind, as in the end we all love our furry friends and want whats best for them.
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Thanks for all the advise and videos you post Chip. I have found some useful, as I am always open to others ideas and training methods. To those who are not interested, just skip those posts, there are some I skip from time to time but for others there may be some useful info. I try to keep an open mind, as in the end we all love our furry friends and want what's best for them.
Thanks by and large that's what I try and do!

Lou Castle said it best ... this guy:
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He's on my friends list on the GSD Forum and he does not bare fools well!

But he said "if people don't like my post ...they don't have to read them!" Good advise.


I'll also ad that some people that seem to be rather critical of others seem to have very little in the way of actual advise for anyone??

Just saying.
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Back on point this does coincide with the Michael Ellis post but it not only services as a an observation of the kind of dogs that are "frequently" found in "Dog Parks" for those working on "The Place Command" here is your high level distraction!

Train, Train,Train first! Then "Place" outside a "Dog Park!" If you want a "bomb proof" Place Command that's how you get it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZX...ineDogTraining
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By and large my goal is to not have "this" problem in the first place. Known safe dogs only no, Dog Parks, no I thought my dog was friendly, people and use "structured" walks.

That worked just find with my Dog Aggressive, ABD that rolled out the box with an anti dog attitude?? He could get anywhere and did not act like a fool around other dogs! My GSD is better still and he has never played with a single dog outside his pack in his life!

But if you get the first part wrong or you get a rescue with issues ..then it's a bit diffident.

Strudded walk and the use of the proper tools (see my SLL thread is key!) by and large most pro's don't use a SLL don't sweat the point your not going to fix "this" problem with a harness!

Over use or incorrect use of a "Prong" can also be a problem?? "Corrections" is a "grey area" however and subject to interpenetration! You can eliminate that variable with a Pet Conveniencer :

Pet Convincer.com

Enough Pro's recommend it that I feel it's safe and effective .

Here is a clip from Tylor Muto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjxiMvajxok

Hey ... more info sooner than I thought! Check this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw5EsUKhEkU

I think I just "stumbled across someone else!

I'll be adding more info as I run across it.
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This should be helpful also for those with "Dog Reactivity" issues.

Winning The Battle Of Dog Reactivity – Solid K9 Training
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