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Old 10-24-2019, 05:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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7 years ago, my wife and I stopped by the local pet store, and happened to see a nice ~9 month old puppy rescue that was available for adoption that weekend. Thus began our journey into boxer ownership. Fortunate for us, he was already housetrained, just needed to be oriented to us as his family, and fast forward today he is still that ~9 month old puppy about 2 times a day, when he isn't lounging around the house

Because he's getting a little older, we've been wanting to get him a fur companion--and seeing how he loves to play with other dogs when we go camping or visit friends--I wanted our 2nd pup to be a boxer.

So now, we have a 7 year old boxer Max and a 11.5 week old boxer Rocket--two goofy pups!


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Old 10-24-2019, 05:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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P.S., I meant to add, I've been here on the boxer forums, scouring for information, way back in the day--when Max was going through tummy troubles.
I've never had a dog that had such a delicate tummy. Got lots of great tips here on this website, and did a mix of pumpkin and yogurt for a couple of years.

We finally got a vet that prescribed him some Royal Canin PR (vet Rx) which, while pricey, fixed all his problems. crazy.

Anyway, I'm here digging for info on how to get Rocket's tummy troubles under control now.

When we first got Rocket, he was doing well with a bag of Blue Buffalo Life Protection chicken. But under advisement of our vet--she said Blue gave some of her patient pups crystals... We switched to American Journey Landmark Puppy, and man, he's just having problems daily. So I'm here looking for other suggestions.

Thanks!
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Old 10-24-2019, 10:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Ugh well first Welcome Aboard!! And well ... it's gonna be (most likely) all down here from there.

Cuz to me ... well your vet is suspect?? And "NO" I am not a vet, to be clear. But I am (well) was on a couple of forums and I have read and over the years, replied to thousands of post and replied to thousands of issues! Still, I viewed many and save for "DM," health issues are not really my thing.

Now that much said ... and in many years and thousands of post on Germanshepard and Boxer forums ... I have "NEVER" seen any mention of UTI, infections in puppies? Screw it I'll say it ..."It does not happen!" Unless one makes it happen???

And going further, I'll state as a "Fact" that as a general rule, "Royal Canine" ... is "Crap Food!" But hey anyone can say that but you know you can check for yourself on here.:
https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/

Now that much said .. I will also "stimulate as fact!" That if your pet has a very specific" medical need ... then most likely a "Royal Canine Formulation" is your go to source! I proofed that one with my Cat! As I had a lot of cats!!

Cat rescue first kind guy, and I kinda well, sucked at it! So at the high point I had 17 cat's! And I feed them "Dry Food" only for years! And right there ... is the cause, more on that is a little bit.

And on that dry food only diet I had one male cat that did develop UTI?? But it was only him! And when I first went to the Vet ... he said, yeah UTI, use this and it was a Royal Cain formulation ... Royal Canine S/O and R/C is the only one that makes it!

And yep prescription and expensive ... but it worked! And off on over the years .. I would dare try and try something else?? And if I did within a week or so ... back to the Vet you go!!! After many years .. I found a vet that told me the actual answer! And it was fairly simple ... the only male cat's that he had every seen with this issue, were male cat's feed "exclusively a dry food diet!"

When we moved to NV ... I could not find Royal Cain S/O and I tried ... something else?? And if I did sure enough same old same old! So I dug deeper and found it again! And yep a hassle and expensive but it worked! Tux lived to be 21 or so?? So yes R/C does work, if you have to use it!!

So yes R/C does work for dog's, with specific medical needs, like your first Boxer! So with her, just keep her on it!

But your puppy and your vet that has seen lot's of UTI, in puppies ... I'd have some uh "serious freaking issues" with that myself. i have never seen that issue in dogs?? And I have never heard of it happening with puppies??

Your puppy had no "issues," before?? On what you were feeding him and now based on a "Recommendation" by your vet, he does now have (tummy)?? Well being generous ... maybe you made the switch over to fast?? And that is the cause of his current issues??

Frankly I doubt it, but whatever. But hey ... keep feeding him R/C "whatever" and surprise down the road ... he now has a UTI??? (Urinary Tract Infection??) And from there the new food recommendation would be R/C S/O for dogs .. for life!

But hey whatever ... just add a quarter can of pretty much, any canned dog food you want to R/C puppy whatever for moisture content And your puppy won't develop UTI. issues.

My vet told me ... he only see's UTI, issues in male cats fed on an exclusively dry diet. He never saw it in canned fed cats??

So I started to replace some kibble with canned food (for my dog's) and I never saw any dietary issues with any of my assorted dogs over the years. And I will also note that dogs fed exclusively on a raw diet ... don't seem to have a lot of "itching" and other assorted issues that kibble exclusively, feed dog's do??

But hey raw only is to much for me ... muscle meat, organ meat and supplement with vitamins??? Makes my head spin??
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Old 10-25-2019, 08:20 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hi, and welcome to the forum, I have had a different experience with Royal Canin boxer puppy formula my 8month old is on it and is doing well, he was on Purina puppy and had lots of stomach issues. I feed Royal Canin adult to my 1 year old female she is also doing well and my friend who has a older boxer female is doing well on the adult formula as well she has never looked better in fact. I use the dry formula and mix a couple of spoons of the wet Royal Canin on the dry and they eat well on it. So far I have had no problems. I did have problems with Blue Buffalo when I tried it on previous dogs and the problem was they would not eat it! My Vet recommends either Royal Canin or Purina (just my two cents worth) I have had 6 Boxers now and stomach problems are pretty common their stomachs just can't process some food.
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Hey guys, thanks for the replies!

Well, about Rocket, our 11.5 week old puppy--he doesn't have crystals (hopefully never will). To clarify:
When I took him to the vet for his first time with us--as a normal first visit checkup, I asked the vet what she would recommend for his food. Blue Buffalo for Puppies was the first bag I picked up off the shelf, when we first picked him up, so I asked her if that was good for him. The vet recommended against Blue, because she had pet patients under her care in the past, that had developed crystals while eating Blue Buffalo. When I just googled it up--looks like it affected cats only, not exactly puppies/dogs. So maybe the vet was just being cautionary, taking into consideration her experience with the food--I only had 10-15 minutes with her maximum. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was saying the vet said Rocket has a UTI--he doesn't. I was just asking for tips, and the vet steered me away from Blue Buffalo (which is what he was on at the time), citing her experience. Didn't realize she was citing experience about cats... :P Hey, vets are people too .

When we switched Rocket off of Blue Buffalo, I went with American Journey Landmark Trailhead Blend for Puppies--it's Chewy's home-brand. After he was fully on it, with a week's transition--man he had basically diarrhea the whole time. 2.5 straight days of nothing solid or partially solid. Not bloody, but a mixup of either watery, or pudding style. It sucked... No logs whatsoever.

Yesterday, after being sick and tired of Rocket's sad little face struggling with his bowel problems, I picked up a bag of Taste of the Wild--High Prairie--Puppy Recipe. I did no transition, just went 100%.
He devoured his cup last night, and the true test was this morning. LOGS! yay! Well, that was for the first part--then it got to be softer, like play-dough, then little squirts. Nothing watery though. I'm used to seeing that though, so its definitely an improvement. And he is happier, and definitely has a lot more energy--he was sleeping more with the other food. Now, he just can't stop wanting to play. It kinda bugs our 7 year old boy Max, haha.

So, our little Rocket's tummy just did not agree with whatever was in the American Journey Landmark formula. I gave Chewy a call, and they refunded the entire purchase price--how awesome is that?! And asked that I donate the remainder of the food to a shelter--which I will, as soon as I get off work today.

Anyway, that's the tale of the tape for us here. Rocket is better for sure. Nothing worse than seeing our little pup suffer. But glad that we got through that!
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P.S. a little more backstory to the food choices...
After spending a ton of time yesterday surfing for information, I had finally decided I was gonna buy some Royal Canin for boxer puppies. Mucho moola . But I didn't want to mess around and wanted to get Rocket on the way to recovery. That being said, when I went to the local pet food store (Pet Food Express), they had no Royal Canin for Boxer dogs (not to mention puppies...!). Then I looked for the Blue Buffalo for Puppies--no luck there either. They had sooooo many choices, so many brands of dog food covering two whole walls... Acana, Fromm, Merrick, Eukanuba, Nula, Totw, and a ton more... It was actually quite distressing at a point, since it wasn't a simple choice, haha.
Anyway, after some deliberation, and having read experiences on here, plus checking dogfoodadvisor, amazon reviews, chewy reviews, and other places.... finally decided on TOTW.

Phew!
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Yeah there are a lot of choices out there! But you should be more than good with your choice! But transition him, over a week or so onto the new food!

And the R/C, admittedly I am kinda harsh at times, as far as that one goes. But as you've seen and as I know if your pet has a "specific medical need" for there formulations" ... that is the way to go!! I tried to deviate from with my Cat a few times because of the "Hassel Factor!"

Some of them are "prescription only!" And when first moved here ... the Vet wanted to my cat before I could buy it??? WTH as if anyone is gonna pay 35 bucks for 14 lbs of cat food if they did not "NEED TO!!!" Ticked me off.

So I'd not mess around with your older Boxer's diet. But your new puppy and a crystal potential?? That strikes me as a bit much?? I could "speculate" as to why she see's so many "Crystal Prone" puppies, but I won't. Keep us updated and again, welcome aboard.
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Just thought I would mention this to you. Please check the FDA warnings on grain free dog food before you make a final decision. I lost two boxers within 6 month of each other to DCM which now they are saying there is a strong link between grain free dog food and DCM I wish I had known about this because if there was any question at all about dog food and DCM risk I would not have used it. I would have liked to have been able to make an informed choice. I do believe this is what killed my dogs so I am sticking with a vet recommended brand and my dogs are doing well. Be careful switching foods so quickly and often these dog have very sensitive stomachs and things can go from bad to worse quickly with them. Good luck with your pup.
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First of all royal cain is not a crap food.. A few years back people were saying that as everyone was going grain free etc..The major dog food companies have had a over fault he past few years and have many nutritionists on board now. So now Purina is back in the ranking too with the pro. If you changed your puppies food without transitioning him that could be his problem with his tummy. Most boxers it seems have sensitive tummies and when changing food you should take a month to do it. week one add 25% new food to 75% old food, week two 50/50, week 3 75/25 and week 4 100% new food. And you follow that protocol as long as the pup isn't having issues otherwise you back off with the new food. I would not keep changing foods, stick with one. Crystals can be formed from 1, lack of water and 2. too high amounts of Magnesium, phosphorous, sodium in their food. This is a very good article on crystals https://www.whole-dog-journal.com/he...ne-prevention/

Whole dog journal has a lot of good up to date information. I also think your vet does not know a whole lot about dog foods.
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Heya,
So yeah, I donít know what the background is on my vets opinion on dog food.
Iíll definitely transition Rockets food more smoothly in the future. Have done it with Max several times (over 5 different dog foods), each with a 2-3 week process. Something was just completely amiss with Rockets tummy from the get go.

About grain free food and the relation to DCM, yes I looked at soooo many articles on it. I am not an expert now, but it sounds like thereís something there. Hereís a link I read, that I remember https://vetnutrition.tufts.edu/2018/11/dcm-update/. So much information, so many choices, and our little pups deal with our decisions .
Iíll try and be careful for sure. Thanks all
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