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Old 01-02-2020, 02:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My husband and I adopted 2 three-year-old boxers about 6 months ago after our previous boxer died at age 12. They have completely opposite personalities. The male has all the energy in the world and wants to play 24/7. The female just wants to cuddle with one of her humans 24/7. She is very timid. She gets scared at any loud noise and many times will go hide under the kitchen table. The problem is that is constantly whining. For the first few months we had her, I would check to make sure she had food/water and that the dog door was open every time she whined. Now I know that it doesn't matter. She whines regardless of having everything she needs.

The only health problem she has is a little arthritis in her knee. The vet has checked it out and we give her an anti-inflammatory when it's bothering her (she holds it up more). Her whining does not get better or worse in relation to the discomfort.

She is the sweetest, most adorable dog and I love her but I'm at my wits end with the constant whining. Btw, I am disabled and spend 90% of my time at home so that doesn't help things.

Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well first, welcome aboard and sorry for your loss.

And of course "thank You for saving not one but to Boxers! And of course, I have to point out ... that you should have just gotten one at a time and not two once?? And that is not about you. It's just a best practices think for everyone. But hey crap happen's and I was not there.

And that much said, it sounds like the boy would have done well with "whatever life dealt him??" The girl on the other hand ... "not so much??" That being the case ... yeah it would have been pretty hard to take the one and leave the other, I would imagine???

The male could have done with any "reasonably caring" owner (it sounds like??) But the girl ... not so much?? And six months ... is both enough time for a "typical dog" to adjust to new circumstances, it is also enough time for "under laying issues" to crop up?? And at this point, this may not be the "Boxer" you expected?? But it might be the "Boxer" you need???

And while she may "never" be a "typical," Boxer?? I do believe, that she can, get into a better "head space" then she is now?? And if it only took "Hug's and kiss's" to get her there??? Well I doubt you'd be here now ... to state the obvious. Now of course, I got more to say!

But I tend to a "pretty wordy," member ... no matter where I am?? Sigh ... it's kinda my thing. And ... "not asking question's," tends to be another flaw??

But "this time," I will because, it's important to any advise I give?? And in as much as working with the disabled, is my job!

I have to "ask," how disabled are you???" Can you "walk, her" short distances and can you get her out of the house at all??
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Maybe she is in more pain than you think? Maybe some other therapies will help her like acupuncture or massage and some heat. I know for people with arthritis just taking a pill does not get rid of the pain I know I have it in my knees. Maybe she needs a more comfy bed to lie on or maybe she is cold? There are all kinds of things that cause discomfort one of my boxers had pretty severe arthritis as she aged and the anti inflammatory were actually making her stomach bleed so maybe her stomach hurts? Can she be with the other dog and see the both of you or is she separate? There could be a lot of reasons for this behavior.
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She has severe separation anxiety. I know she loves to cuddle but you need to slowly teach her that it’s ok to not be so dependant on you. Stop coddling her. First start by teaching her to lay on a dog bed on the floor. If you aren’t crate training them, you need to start. It sounds like she had a traumatic past and it is going to take a long time to reprogram her so to speak. Be patient, make small changes.
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Maybe she is in more pain than you think? Maybe some other therapies will help her like acupuncture or massage
Medical check up, certainly could not hurt?? But I doubt she is in pain?? If she were, I'm reasonably sure, a "responsible rescue group," would have took note of the issue before passing her on??

But the whole of the "Check Up" bit would be, "with a sudden change in behavior, a medical check up would be step one." The thing is it's a rescue, and as such, most likely the original history of the dog is "unknown??"

The dog could have been, just fine before she wound up in the "circumstances" that led her to the "Rescue" And, then just "shut down," when she was originally abandoned?? Some dog's can handle being bounced from home to home and other dog's ... not so much???

A Rescue, by default tend's to mean "History Unknown??" Unless you get lucky?? And once you get them and you know, do what you've always done, and it's not really working, this time?? It's time to "learn what to do" or make a hard call and take the dog back to where they came from and "hope" they find a more "experienced owner" and the additional information passed on to the next owner, should prove useful. It's time to "Fish or Cut Bait" as it were. If you get involved in with "Rescue's??" Some times, some of us have to make that call?? And yeah, most of us say "Uh NO." They are staying with me and I'll figure it out!

Been there done that got the stitches! But hey it worked out great in the "long run," I got's no regret's. But step one is "do they stay or do they go??" And only the OP can make that call??

But sigh, as per usual, it look's like a "One and Done," member so ...
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Thanks for all of your responses!

I wasn't clear on how we adopted them. I can be a bit wordy sometimes too, Chip, so I try my best to keep the details to a minimum so I don't lose my audience.
We adopted them from a woman who needed to find them another home before she moved. We learned about them from a boxer rescue organization which is where they would have gone if we didn't take them when we did.

She raised both of them from the time they were puppies. They are 6 months apart. There's no way they would get separated. It seems as though they came from a very loving home. I even keep in touch with the woman we got them from. And we won't be giving either of them up. My family is in love.

To answer a few other questions...
She's been to the vet a few times since we got her and left with a clean bill of health (other than the knee). All 3 of our dogs roam the house freely all day. They can lay on the couches or the dog bed. I am too disabled to take her for a walk. They go outside whenever they want, which is multiple times a day, through the dog door and run around the yard. They play with each other several times a day.

I think you may be right, Kaco Boxers... at least part of it. I have wondered if it's separation anxiety. She is fine as long as she's able to lay with me in bed or on the couch, but if I'm up and around in the house, that's when she walks around whining. I have told my husband that we need to crate train them. We are actually looking into hiring a dog trainer to come to our home and teach us how to train all of them. I know how to teach the basic commands (sit, down, stay, shake, etc.) and taught my little fluffball well. However, we need help with fixing certain behaviors like barking at every noise they hear and trying to push past me when I open the front door for someone.
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Oh so your still here!

And I too have "learned from other's!" And one of those thing's ... i did to heart, begrudgingly, was to "ask Question's!"

Hence with "Rescue's, I always tend to ask, "Are you committed to this dog??" And by a large the answer has "always been, "Yes I am!"

And with a "rescue and unexpected," issues arising?? You always have to ask your self ... that question!! Now I already not know ... and yet with my new dog, in the beginning ... and with all, I have learned form my life with "Rocky my first Working Line GSD and a rescue, I still failed (in the beginning my third Rescue??)

Sigh it was admittedly ... in new way, in my defense. A Boy vs Girl kinda deal and for 99.9 percent of dog owner's "no big deal??" But for me it was?? A lot of "emotional baggage" on my part. And I unloaded onto my "current rescue Bella??' Cuz you know Bella is not a Bob?? Pretty much that simple.

But I know (have learned) enough, that I fully understand, that for most people, Bella would have been already close to "perfect!" But for "me" she not being a he ... was a problem?? It took a pretty traumatic occurrence" to let my "emotional baggage go!" I'm working "currently" to undue the "initial damage I did ... my bad."

I have learned a lot of stuff over the year's. Most of which .. I just "stumbled across by accident??" But mu initial "Bella, Issue??" Search if you will ... but you won't find that one online!!

But still at it's core, the "issue, was "crystal clear," as I tend to say ... and it was "there was no committee, to keeping her?? No issue's with her at all, and if she were a he ... I never would have made my initial mistake. Sigh ... it seem's I tend to give advise ... I just don't always follow it ... my bad??

But back on point, good advise that give but "apparently always follow?? Is are you willing to "commit to this dog??" Cuz, if your not committed, your wasting your time and the dog's! And that is a "thing!" And without that first step one is wasting there time and the dog's! I understand that and still I screwed it up!

So you know I'm still working on undoing that damage ... live and learn, hopefully. But Ok, you can't walk her?? That is not ideal for how I tend to work?? But hey it's not surmountable!

The door bit is relatively simple to solve! That's threshold training ... I'll cover it in another post.

And yep it is "separation anxiety," I don't like to say it out the gate , cuz you know it tends to freak people out?? But it's not uncommon at all. And for the most the couch and the free roaming bit, and I'll add no crate and sleep's in the bed with you?? Aww, well pretty much par for the course with Boxer folks.
That kinda loose structure, is no necessarily the best way to roll?? But most of us tend to do it all the time and most of us get away with it


And the Crate bit, it may help ... but not if not "trying it" can cause more stress?? But if you do want to try ... use her meal's ... feeding her outside the Crate for a few day's and slowly transition, her food into the Crate. If she won't go in when you get real close ... say nothing! Take the food away and try again the next day. She can skip a meal or two with no ill effect.

And yeah as Cesar's and other's say No talk, no touch, no contact ... say nothing. Sometimes less is more.

And ultimately ... Behavior issues, 101 regardless of the "issues" at hand! The "Place Command and Sit on The Dog!" And those are both thing's you can do. And pretty much all the serious capable Dog Trainer's train "Place" at the aluminum. Ask questions as required ... but all the detail's I could think of are covered here.:

https://www.boxerforums.com/training...e-command.html

So yeah long post but thanks for the background indite into the dog's! And as long as your committed, we got your back ... Welcome Aboard.
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Yep, still here. I just take a few days to respond sometimes. Thanks for the info again.
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LOL ... I don't think I've ever gotten a response to that remark in the past??? In any case daily .. or hmm hourly or weekly participation, is not required!

In fact sometimes, in some cases, ... it's best if some "people," say sometimes, say a little less .. for longtime sticking power, you tick off the wrong people and you can get banned ... no names.

But hey "every rescue," is different?? And I managed to, create a "situation," that caused me to have a "panic attack??" Over doing something with my new rescue, that I did not have to do, to much to soon, apprently???

Sigh ... ironically enough, I would have benefited greatly, with Bella, by uh "following my own advise???" Hence my "Chip Beat Down Thread ..." But hey live and learn, uh from the "Pro's, I promote and follow, for the most part ....

But hey ... we are getting over it! Sigh ... one would not think that getting a girl and not a boy (APBT/Boxer) would not be that big a deal?? But sigh ... "I am that guy ... apparently?? But hey "Bella" and I have gotten over it! And as of "today and the last few week's, she/we are doing ... pretty freaking great! Sigh "people issues" (me) can come in many forms it seems?? But ... do let us know how it's going. Take care. Oh and Happy New Year.
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